that the senate proposals on immigration reform from say senator marco rubio and also senator rand paul put heavy emphasis on the border security. so where do those proposals go if we have no way of measuring whether the border is actually secure or not? >> rube yos people -- rubio's people tell me, that immigration reform proposal he will have very strong requirements on border security. strong metrics. requirement of measurable border security. the problem is, the bigger problem is, that congress can pass an immigration reform law but it depends on the executive branch to actually enforce that law and "the new york times" reported a couple days ago after this hearing i was describing that president, that homeland officials did not come up with a measurement of border security because president obama did not want to create an impediment, an obstacle on path for citizenship of millions here illegally. there is basic conflict that congress wants to pass a law requiring certain actions on the border security and executive branch that doesn't agree with that. jon: the president will be tal